My take on it is that it is, indeed, a sales pitch

But, to me it seems to be a pitch for the training materials and seminars that all MLMs require you to invest in. This is a very typical lead in for all of the “non-products” they always want you to buy and an attempt to justify it. I just want to say to this poster that every time a company has hired me to do a job that required training, “they” paid “ME” to be trained, not the other way around. And these pitches do deserve a big red flag!

The HUGE problem with all of this response

Long laundry list of problems actually is that you are responding as if you were HIRED to be an EMPLOYEE.
That is totally wrong. No, the you are not hired. You an independent contractor….that is the big LIE of MLM haters – that you are an employee that is hired and therefore you deserve some kind of ‘favors’ as it were.

And for the record. NO, this was not a sales pitch and NO I am not talking about training materials at all. But rather the right people to learn from that are doing it correctly. It’s a paradigm shift.

You guys are so set that this is a ‘sales pitch’ and that I am PRO-MLM that you are only twisting around my words and coming to your own conclusions that fit you way of thinking. Thanks for that. Maybe you should try asking instead of assuming….and we all know what assuming does, right?

As I said, I’m not trying to be cold or unfeeling

I’ve seen a lot of problems like this, including dealing with an alcoholic in my own family who didn’t “wake up” until literally waking up one morning in a psych ward in an area of town she thought was the local ghetto (actually, it has some nice houses there, including some pre-Civil War historical sites that I managed as a landlord at one point and it’s also not far from St. John’s Church where some guy gave some speech about liberty or death). The key point was waking up in a perceived ghetto and realizing she was being treated like everyone else in the ward.

The sad truth is people in addictive situations or who are in some form of denial, as is the case with your son, just have to hit bottom before they change. Bottom is different things for different people. For my relative, it was waking up in what she thought was the ghetto. The more trouble your son has financially while in QS, the faster he’ll be likely to hit bottom. If he has to come back to you, then he’s ready to listen to you. Just don’t take an “I told you so” attitude and use questions to get him to realize what’s going on instead of telling him.

For example, if he loses his apartment, ask, “But what about your friends? You’ve told me that they’re completely behind you. Don’t they believe in you and QS enough to let you rent from them for the time it’ll take before you can afford your own place?

An excellent point

There are many of us here who say all MLMs are bad, some think a few are okay, like Pampered Chef or maybe Avon (and I do know some here who have sent me links about bad situations in Avon), or maybe one or two others. Deb, who is someone I know I respect and whom many of us do respect and hold in high regard, has told us often about her Grandfather and how he was in Amway when the recruiting point was that if you could sell some of the products, you could earn a few extra bucks a month. It wasn’t about getting rich, but about adding something to your income. At one time Amway was actually a functional MLM.

The point is that there are people here of broad opinions, but the email from iam_tam was definitely one-sided. I know the author (is Tam a man or woman?) thinks his/her point of view is balanced, but it isn’t.
There were many comments and thought patterns in that email that are a dead give-away about the author’s point of view. It’s an example of denial. “You guys are one sided because you don’t like what I say,” but the truth is that Tam’s email is quite one sided and I would hope Tam would pay attention to what has been said in response. I asked others to speak without malice, and I tried to, because my hope would be that this person, who has been in MLMs for 20 years but can’t cite any significant success, would read our comments and just possibly consider them and not consider us all “against” him/her.

I hope, but don’t know, if Tam is capable of stepping back and taking a balanced view of this topic.

This is an interesting point that I’ve discussed with friends on this board:

work and work ethic. Dawn, my ex-gf, was scared to death of working in a 9-5 job for over 40 years of her life. In her case, I think a lot of it had to do with lack of self confidence and the feeling that she would never be able to get a good job that she’d enjoy. I notice a dichotomy with MLMs (okay, I notice many dichotomies in MLMs, but this is one in particular) where they talk about how willing they are to work hard, but on the flip side, these same drones talk about how they’re doing it so they won’t have to work any more.

It’s as if a good work ethic is repulsive to them and their entire point, as drones, is to reach a point where they don’t have to work. It’s an odd work-is-bad-but-my-work-is-good attitude.

Honestly, what is so bad about working in a nine-to-fiver if you have the skill of finding a job that you enjoy? What is so bad about doing some hard work? It’s as if work is a bad thing. I cringe when I meet people who have that attitude.

My final question is to ask WHY you are here

You’ve read the blog description and new member rules…you KNOW why WE are here. Why then did YOU seek this blog out to defend MLMs?

Its been mentioned before at pro MLM posts, that what you are doing is similar to attending AA meetings to convince the folks there that they have it all wrong and that alcohol is really not so bad for them if they do it the right way. Or the same as attending a PETA meeting to extol the virtues of meat.

I’m just wondering why there is always that assumption that anyone against MLM’s

isn’t prepared to work hard? Just my interpretation of the comments made. Actually, I KNOW why – it is SOP for distributors to promote that old “anyone who fails at MLMs, just didn’t work hard enough, think positively enough, didn’t want it bad enough”, etc.. As if we all haven’t heard it a thousand and one times before.

Honestly, its so very typical of drone behavior – those that have been assimilated, that there’s NO way the term “neutral” can come into play..

Actually, it is accurate, unless of course you don’t want to be confused with the facts. And don’t be mislead by the statistics put out by most MLM companies. You need to look at the fine print as it is stated that the commissions paid numbers do NOT include ANYONE who has dropped out.
Kinda skews the numbers, ey?

As others have pointed out, completely false. And even if it were true, its still a MUCH higher success rate than MLMs.

Oh please.

So all those that fail at MLM are either A) not business saavy enough or B) have work ethic issues and expect hand outs? If you had spent any REAL time on this list, you would know that quite a number of people here were successful at MLMs and WALKED AWAY (some from 6 figure incomes) once they learned the truth about how MLMs work.

One truth is that MLMs can not work without that 98+% failure rate. MLM commissions are paid from those loyal drones who buy product monthly and do not receive any commission. These MLM “failures” are needed to make the commission structure work. Without them, MLMs would fail. If even 20% were successful, my guess is that the industry would crumble.

I would love for someone more saavy with numbers than I, to do a statistical study/projection on it.

I’m sure whatever new stuff that’s going on there

I’ll find out about this week. My “upline” is at Winter Conference this weekend. They always come back and tell me how much and what I missed. You know I can’t avoid them because I work my day job with them. I’ll let you all know if I hear anything. Now for the lowering of prices… there are a few things I found out about like the ladies skin care that they changed and supposedly lowered prices on. Their thought pattern was to really make that more competitive with the other brands out there… I personally wonder if this whole thing is hanging on by a thin thread. So many people are starting to jump ship. But I’m sure those big pins at the conference will reinforce everyone to “just listen to your upline, they know what’s best for you.” Wonder how long that will work..

By this logic

if I work in an electronics store and sell, say, GPS units, I am only qualified to sell the brand that I use, not the one that might be best suited for each particular customer I encounter?

I cannot have used or tried them all. It’s not possible for one store to stock them all. However, I should have studied the specifications and reviews of those that I sell, and I should be aware of how they compare to one another. That will be sufficient.

The problem with many MLMs is that they only deal in one product line that provides any sort of profit margin for the IBO. Any others they carry often have very little profit associated with them and virtually no credit toward business volume. So the best you, as an IBO, can hope for is a decent price at the “discounted” IBO cost.

But then you aren’t really selling anything, are you? You can’t generate a profit if you only sell to yourself.

I just had a talk with my mom today

She was originally in the True North leg of AmQuix. Now it appears all the higher ups are bailing on Quixtar/Amway. Their new thing, according to Mark Crawford, their leader, is going to be strictly promoting and selling leadership materials, books and cd’s. Now they are not even going to try to hide behind Amway to sell their garbage. The funniest part was hearing how her upline diamonds were soooo mad that quixtar was going back to Amway without consulting the ibo’s and the fact that quixtar was not interested in lowering prices so that distributors could sell the product, as it is overpriced and always has been. It’s almost like they are not business owners but are merely employees without any say in what happens in their business. That is a direct quote BTW. Any one else hear what is happening.